Why Creek is a Terrible Map and Call of Duty 4 Map Design

That’s what smoke grenades were invented for! I for one like the map, variety is the spice of life and this map encourages smoke & stealth instead of the manic rushing about and shooting like most of the COD 4 maps.

its easy yo i got 23 kill streak bby hiding in the caves and laying the netrance with c4 and using a g3

^^ agreed… smoke nades.. but also, crawling… this is the only map i’ve ever had to crawl on… but worth it…. crawl to a front position on the hillside.. find the targets, stick your head up, kill your target, get back down, crawl alittle more… I find campers get trigger happy and if you have one good clan member willing to run around like an madman… all the other team seem easier to find xD

I agree with source..if ur on creek against a team of skilled snipers and campers..it will be tough, no matter how sneaky or how many smoke grenades u got. its fighting an uphill battle

to much snipers

It was probably designed for those of us on Xbox live – the maximum number of players is 9-a-side if your are playing groundwar. Smoke, stealth and the judicious use of sprinting are all that is needed.

I find that A and C are the easiest points of crossing. B is absolute suicide. I tend to combat my way through the cave, release a smoke, and ambush the disadvantaged snipers with suppressive fire. C is also easier, but takes more time as I tend to crawl all the way to the other side.

Camping is too good here and even storming with smoke grenades fighting versus snipers AND LMGunner spraying bullets into the smoke.

and hoping to be lucky versus claymores.

anyways regardless of which is which this map is too much based on ranged battles and SMG/shotguns may not be effective, using snipers are very lucrative.

At anyone who said that it is a good map you just need smoke grenades.

Here are 5 flaws with your smoke/crawl strategy.
5. Your always going to have a guy with an LMG spray into smoke and quite possibly pick you off.
4. Smoke grenades draw attention, the moment that smoke picks up at least half of the team will be aiming for the smoke to get you when you leave the smoke or when it goes away.
3. There is basically no grass in the middle of the map, so crawling to get to the other side wont work because your bound to be noticed and since your slow you are instantly an easy kill. Even if your lucky enough to get halfway without the grass you are spotted imidiatly in the middle of the map with no cover.
2. Most important for the smoke grenaders is that you only get ONE smoke grenade and that can only get you so far.
1. Most importantly for the crawlers. crawling takes way to long, by the time you get to the other side of the map(if you make it) half of the game is over and by then the sides could of switched plus you might only be able to get a few kills before someone changes their class or you get double teamed by pistols and you have to start all over again.

Overgrown is the right way to have the three choke points. It has cover and well creek has no cover.

Bloc was the right way to have a sniper map because its great for sniping but the sniper spots are very narrow and the back paths are protected from sniping so travel in the sides and then go on a killing sniper spree.

The only good thing about creek is the scenery and lighting.

sorry forgot to put my gamertag on my post.

My post is number 9(right above this one)

i am for this map.
You have to think why so many snipers use it.
There are alot of maps where sniping is ridiculously hard like vacant, showdown, shipment and district so all snipers are going to jump at the chance of going somewhere where a ghillie suit will work and we can sometimes camp. I seen someone above say about balanced play but snipers are the most uncommon users on the game because of the maps.
Creek is poo though because of the limited pathways.

this map is unbalanced i think because whichever team has the high ground has a big advantage

your observation fails to see that the map was designed to be played on a console with only 16 players. If you can find a server of 16 it is much more enjoyable. (even better is 5 on 5)

its always so quiet on the map in hardcore s&d. The moment you do anything you either get shot or shot at. Thats why i throw a smoke/special grenade in the lower part of the map and wait for the snipers to pop up like gophers to see whats going on… Works most of the time… For team deathmatch i go in the lower left part of the map and wait.

i like this map for train my eyes to see snipers thats all is not the best map but i think call of duty 4 maps R all good

Gaz, I disagree, everytime a game sterts at least half of the players are snipers unless it’s Shipment or Vaccant. I think that snipers are the most if not second most popular class(maybe second to ARs) and Shot Guns are the least.

snd on console is good because the ‘village’ side is the favored side not the little barn sh*t side

in snd pop a smoke at a and wait for the noo to run at it expctin a planter

I think this map is fine, just stay on your side, don’t rush and you should be fine. Obviously doesn’t wok if you are playing an objective-based game. It has a relatively flat relief, except for the mountain, making it fair for both teams. The really bad map is Bog, because the Marines start at the elevated section of the map (the long wall with 2 entryways). That’s why they ALWAYS win.

The maps were designed for a reason, if they wanted this map to be fast paced they would have made it smaller like shipment. this is a good place for getting headshots with eaither a sniper-rifle or a rifle with an ACOG scope

to the person that said bog is unbalanced you are wrong, the marines side has much less usable cover to use, especially for SnD where they have no way at all for predicting what is happening in ‘A’

Good write up. Honestly, the description you give Creek could be applied to almost every map in the game. There just aren’t enough places to go on any of them. Also maps like Bog and Showdown are so simplistic that sometimes I feel like its 1998 all over again. I find Creek somewhat tolerable because at least the overall large size cuts back on the random grenade throwing that plagues mostly all of the other maps. My biggest complaint with the game more than anything is the cramp nature of the multiplayer maps. Especially since this series has seen much better with the incredible Call of Duty: United Offensive. Its like they have been going backwards with the map design since COD2. Graphics get better and the level design gets worse, but thats just my opinion.

How good or bad is Creek ??. It depends on the playing conditions. If you play TDM on Creek, (especially with larg number of players, like 15 players per team), then forget it…..it is far away the worst map of COD4. As somebody noticed above, you will have 80% snipers camping the most of the time and the rest running like rabbits trying to avoid sniper shoots.
HOWEVER if you play Dominate on Creek with 6-8 players per team, then it turns to a great and challenging map.

I believe it is a map choice. The thing is, after awhile of playing, especially S&D, you know where the snipers hide and where the goons are running. You just need to find your spot and strategy(ies) to combat snipers and the other team. The problem is, especially with the xbox is that pick up games are the worst. People do not play together no matter what the map is. People are running everywhere trying to get a kill or plant (defuse) the bomb to get points (You don’t get any bonus points if you didn’t get a kill). So, you find yourself alone because everybody in your team was stupid enough to run like hell to get one kill and the other team was waiting for them. Yes maps make a different in the game but I beleive that team work is even more important than any map in COD4. Build a CLAN

I agree with number 6. I play on XBOX live and love this map. We are limited to usually 12 players (depending on game mode) and therefore a coordinated attack can pin the enemy down. Familiarity with the map and coordinating with your teammates can take down even an entire group of snipers. My only complaint is that you get the occasional stalemate game if you get all camping snipers. Then you just need to motivate your team to take the initiative and embarrass the newbies on the other side.

I concur that a lot of the design of creek tends to lean towards certain game modes.

hmnns hacks owns all for me :S

Creek is a map in which you must know how to snipe. but if you notice on the PC version, after a while people stop sniping, because there are no enemy snipers. Sure, the choke points are bad, but its called covering fire from a team of four m60′s.

Shotguns are quite common too, just depends which map.
Personally, i take Winchester1200 + Foregrip + uav jammer + dead silence.

creek is an outstanding map. people saying there are too much snipers are grammatically incorrect. there aren’t too MANY snipers as each team has their compliment of snipers who almost always kill other snipers. the runners and gunners have plenty of opportunity here. I for one like the idea of a level where you trade shots. kills go to people with skill rather than luck or twitch play.

I personally do not mind creek. it beats the heck out of getting killed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over by everyones favorite “random nades” and “noob tubes” on WetWork

Simply wait until it’s been a while in the game, everyone seems to forget B and just watch A and C, I’ve made runs for the other side without even hearing a single bullet wizz past me. But, it is true though, the map design is a bit sketchy. Still it looks good and feels diffrent from all the other maps in COD4 maybe the sudden change of colours is throwing me off. At least you are free from the random nading done on backlot, wetwork, shipment, killhouse and what-not the list just goes on and on and on…

One word, bollocks! Creek is one of my faves. 35+ kills is easily acheivable with you so called ‘players’. Snipers are easily tamed with accuracy and lateral thinking. Don’t believe me? Join me to see how it’s done.

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creek is good and bad, i think its best 4team deathmatch,domination, and hardcore games, the others are not cool 4 this map. yes the ma is elevated as the people in the village get the sniper upperhand as they can lock the enemy down easy with snipers as the choke points are locked s nipers on the deck, the side path by the sniper at the pavillion or the rock nearby and over the mountain, using the loft. the best snipers are the m21 or dragunov with bandolier, stoppin power or uav jammer and martyrdom, i get top score using this u can get promoted with this. ive had cod 4 for 4 months and im already rank 43 no prestige. and im not so good at the game i must admit.

i like this map i like sniping why can’t there be a sniper map not everyone wants to just run round like loonies fraggin everything thats whats boring, good strategy and team play if the team all used headsets and had a plan the other team would have to come to you. As much as i love the doom/duke nukem style of play sniping has to have its place as it is part of warfare.

I like Creek but it is a snipers map. Claymores are great for clocking the cave… I use smoke as a decoy!! Throw it and hope the enemy focus on that while you run the other way ) Like any map its important to co-ordinate and get you team to cover certain areas while you concentrate on a plan of attack. Good Luck!

Have to agree with my fellow 360/ps3 players; The map is awesome when you don’t have 30 players on it same time like you do on pc. I admit snipers do have the advantage on it, but the map offers several ways for “rush classes” to break trough all those choke points specially if you got either smoke or uav jammer.

So smoke attracts attention. Use that to your advantage. Pop smoke at the mouth of A and have half the team sneak along the face of the rock over to C and flank the ever-loving shit out of them… Duh.