Stopping Power vs. Juggernaut in Call of Duty 4

Disagreed- it depends on the situation. For Shotties, Juggernaut blows SP out of the water. On Creek or Overgrown (or any other sniper-heavy map), Juggernaut blows Stopping Power out of the water. In Hardcore, both are relatively useless, but Jugg is significantly less useless than SP. In addition, Juggernaut has a nice little combo- paired up with Last Stand, it becomes more powerful than any SP combination you’re going to run into (especially against Snipers, who now require THREE shots to kill you).

Another thing you completely neglected to consider is any offensive weapon other than the guns. Grenades, Claymores, C4, Airstrikes, Helos… Juggernaut helps you against all of these, SP helps you with none of these. Certain gametypes (*cough cough HEADQUARTERS cough*) are a total fragfest, which means Juggernaut is going to reign supreme. It’s also super-helpful in S&D because of all the Claymores (especially when paired with Last Stand to give you more time to relay information to your team before getting killed). Also, it’s very easy to say that if you’re a competent aim and can keep the enemy under the crosshairs, Stopping Power is totally unnecessary, since the enemy will eventually fall under your withering stream of fire no matter HOW MUCH damage you’re dealing- SP only really helps you when you don’t have the time, ability, or inclination to aim properly (either when you’re spraying and praying, when you’re in a surprise CQB, or when you’re firing in very tight, quick windows).

Like everything else, Jugg and SP are both extremely useful… situationally. Neither is really more useful than the other, one is just more widely used than the other.

as a sniper (and I don’t think I’m alone), i always use SP because the last thing you def don’t want to see is that darn white cross pop up while your prey scurries away. given SP, it would still take 2 (non-head) shots to take out a guy w/ Jugg, but except in almost all situations, the guy on the ground has no idea where the shot came from or the sniper is too far away or the sniper is already behind cover again (usually the case). i can’t remember ever being killed by a LS when sniping. i’ve seen guys in LS turning around on the ground plenty of times trying to find me though.

The first response makes a perfect case of my point. juggernauts are noobs. they need the extra health so they can find out where there being shot from. I’ve seen servers where people have been kicked for using juggernaut.

If people are getting kicked for using Juggernaut then the admin is a noob…
I say like there be no rules… (no glitching/hacking ofc)
because it’s the noobs that can’t play with the game as it is… I don’t mind no nade/tube/support for first 20 seconds… it’s those no noobtubes at all that tell you that the admin is a noob…

another thing to consider is the necessity of bandolier with juggernaut because it takes more bullets to kill. I’d say juggernaut vs double tap is a much better comparison while stopping power is the clear winner unless you are using m14 (where I’d say stopping power vs juggernaut is 50 50), M60 (same) shotguns, and Dragunov (where stopping power is next to useless)

i perfer stoping power over juggernaut but jugernaut is a good perk and is not noob niether is a grenade launcher and if u cant handle people using those than ur a noob

I agree with cod4source. I have Stopping power on all my perks and Juggernaut is the noob perk, as well as grandelauncher.

Well i am a 10th prestige on cod4 mainly because i am good and i own most noobs. I have a k : d ratio of 1.97 and im aiming for 2.00. I have all golden guns and i only cage matched 3 of them as they were bad guns. L0nG L1V3 c0d 4

Actually i’ve killed snipers a few times with LS- i normally snipe myself, so i have a pretty good idea of where the sniping spots are- coupled with UAV you can sometimes get them with the Deagle. It’s amusing when it works

sorry i have to disagree…juggernaut is far superior. I am on offense majority of the time and jugg just makes me almost invicible. If ur long range using a silencer in s&d…forget killing me. It allows me to actually TURN around and kill ppl when normally i would have died…Juggernaut is for players who have good aim and dont need stoppin power

juggernaut us for fags and pussies and people that can’t play the game because they don’t know how to live because people with juggernaut are worthless noobs and should be banned which me and my clan have done we have got 25 people banned for using juggernaut to much we just lie and say there cheating because they pretty much are because if u have extra health its harder to kill u juggerfag is for fags and people need to learn how to play the game put on stooping power and learn how to play the game because u can’t say your good because if u have juggerfag then you aint as alert because you don’t worry as much when i used juggerfag i went like 6 and 25 on teamdeath match when i switched to stopping power i go about 30 and 10 see without stooping power u learn to be more alert better techniques better aim because u want to kill them before they kill u also u learn better paths and routes to kill people because on every map in the begginning of the match i make it the whole way around the map without dieng and i usually get a uav or airstrike and once and a while i’ll get me a helicopper see u need to learn how to play see try it without juggernaut i mean seriously try don’t give up on it change a class or 2 to stopping power and give it a go use it for about a day or 2 or like 20 or 30 matches you will learn how to do things better seriously try it so stop being a juggerfag and be a stopping power winner baaaabaaaay.

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wtf was that?

anyway, i say juggernaut is very useful. In normal matches you now have 140 health instead of 100. Unless that M40 hits you in the head/neck, than your not going down in one shot. The bad thing is that the drag,r700, and barret only have to hit you in the torso or better to kill you in one shot but they have to have stopping power. I know im probably stating the obvious for those that know the Weapons Chart.

Cool fact: If you have juggernaut, you can survive any sniper headshot if they DON’T have stopping power. 140 – 105 = 35 health left.

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I prefer stopping power just becuase all snipers have stopping power on and if you get shot in the head by a r700, Barrett, or m40 you are dead. You are a terrible sniper if you shot someone in the back instead of the head. If they are running I can understand that but if they are stationary and you shoot them in the torso which if they had jaggerrnaut *cough jaggernoob cough* on then they would survive but that is a terrible sniper. All snipers shoot for the head and when they hit you, you’re dead no matter if you have jaggernaut or anything becuase all snipers have on stopping power. If you don’t have on stopping power you are a noob. Also jaggernaut users and noob tubers. You can all form a Call of Duty 4 noob club.

I prefer stopping power just becuase all snipers have stopping power on and if you get shot in the head by a r700, Barrett, or m40 you are dead. You are a terrible sniper if you shot someone in the back instead of the head. If they are running I can understand that but if they are stationary and you shoot them in the torso which if they had jaggerrnaut *cough jaggernoob cough* on then they would survive but that is a terrible sniper. All snipers shoot for the head and when they hit you, you’re dead no matter if you have jaggernaut or anything becuase all snipers have on stopping power. If you don’t have on stopping power when sniping you are a noob. Also jaggernaut users and noob tubers. You can all form a Call of Duty 4 noob club.

I do love Stopping Power ALOT, With the AK47 its a 3 hit kill, But saying that Jugger has saved Me and my teams round many times, I Play 24/7 SND Broadcast [Best map in my opinion] I was last man of my team of 10, and they had 7 left, i was in the little look out room on the 2nd floor with the two windows with no glass looking down at the middle of the map Inside, seeing as they had UAV There mission objectives have slightly changed from Planting to Hunt Down Krullex.. 3 guys run in, its a very small space, my knife has already taken 2 out, the other runs away throws a nade which didnt get cooked so i through it out of the window taking 2 other guys out, Whilst getting shot by around 2 other guys with AKs.. through the walls, At the end of it all Jugger Saved My life, i would have died in an instant other wise, i did manage to win the round staying in that room, I was called a Jugger Noob after that round… Pfft I SHOULD THINK SO it was 1 v 7 Lol, i got my praise when the new round started Also something that adds to my attention, Ive noticed that One weapon in each Catagory Has Hidden Extreme Conditioning, [If this has already been topiced then i havnt read it]

The M21 for Snipers, You can run alot longer then all the others
The P90 for SMG
The SAW for LMG
Both the Shotguns are the same, and i havnt found the Assault Yet..

Bottom Line Jugger Is a very good perk, that i will always defend with the Line:

If you cant Aim Dont Complain.. [Because its true.. having 2 extra hits in me Helps, but if they would have aimed tho last 2 hits instead of trying to panic knifing me and failing... they wouldnt have to complain ^-^]

Stopping Power vs Juggernaut hmmm… obv SP
jugg iz a noob perk! JUGGERNOOB!

but before you all go mad al explain why:
SP gives your bullet damage an extra 40% which is handy if your a run ‘n’ gunner!

But Juggernaut takes away 75% of the enemy fire which is handy if you are
quite bad at COD4 and are always taking fire instead of giving it out

so for all these people sayin that jugg just cancels out SP you no thats a lie because
when you start with bullet damage at 100% add SP so goes to 140%
juggernaut then takes away 75% so puts your damage down to 65%

and if these noobs are playing against some1 without SP they do only 25% damage than on a non-noob

Well, I think they are basically even. Jugger is good if your just starting and need support. It’s also good if your decent with the gun your using and don’t need the boost of power SP gives. Now with SP, M16′s are gods, and with snipers they are a must. For me, I use both 50 – 50 most of the time. But overall, I would have to say Juggernaut is the better perk.

Jugg wins, nuff said.

Well for starters i have a weapon for every range but the shotgun so i have 2 snipers… i would say im above average for a sniper so i aim for the head all the time unless they sprint horizontaly. in real life a sniper shot from i high powere semi-auto/bolt action sniper rifle would kill a man in one shot no matter what. no complaints. With juggernaught it stops this. in my opinion (ive just read nearly all the posts) juggernaught is for noobs (most people pn this thread appear to like juggernaught) im sorry but if our not good enough to look both ways (or 360) your gonna get killed but juggenaught saves you! i think it should be locked after you reach a certain level. Then people cant complain (somthing like level 15-25) people below level 20 i would say are noobs anyway. so simple fact of the matter is juggernaught is for TWATS AND PRICKS… and as for martyrdom/last stand well just dont bother cause thats just gay. any other perks that dont give noobs who cant play the game properly a crappy kill somebody whils you should be dead advantage is okay!
OH KRULLEX to post above… check mobility that means the weight of the weapons… lighter they are the faster you move
Current KD ratio: 1:59 has anybody noticed that it doesnt seem to go up? i played a match last night wit 32 kills and 4 deaths and it went up 0.1 thats just bullshite…
GT:soodster (xbox360)

I have to agree with a lot of the comments above. Juggernaut is a good perk. Its like wearing a Kevlar vest. When you wear one, you don’t take as much damage if you are shoot as when you are not wearing one. Do we call people wearing Kevlar noobs? No we call them smart because they can stay in the fight longer. What is up with this “lower levels then me” or people who do things differently being called noobs all the time.
I have played games like this off and on, and have reached top rank on many of them over the years and have never understood the elitist and arrogant stance so many people take to certain aspects of the games they play. Sure a person with a nade launcher is cheap, but expert players can deal with it, thats why they are expert. And so you think someone with Juggernaut is a noob. Is it because you think they are so bad that they need help to survive, or is it maybe because you are frustrated you need to actually be good enough to kill them with that extra health. In that case who is the noob. I would say that neither is, and point out that instead of complaining so much, and having nothing productive to say (noob comment spamming), you instead get out there and try to enjoy the game, and maybe in the process improve your ability to handle better what it trows you.
There is no “proper” way to play a game like this. By its very nature, it is a GAME.

SP the best, nuff said

Why do people complain? If your going to use stopping power and you dont suck and you can aim, your still going too kill the person, regaurdless of him being a “juggernoob”. I use juggernott when i am rushing in S&D and i dont want to die from the lucky sniper who hits my leg and shits himself with happyness, with juggernot if the sniper kills me, he was good and deserved the kill because he could hit more more than once….. Also, ITS A GAME, why do you care, its not life or death its a game, just have fun with it….. Thats my Two Cents

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All People who use juggernaught are retards and should give up the game and go play sumtin else idk sumtin like sims where being a complete twat is encouraged. Their is no need to use that perk as their are far better ones in the game and hardly any sniper shots are lucky as if they get you whilst ur on the move that takes skill and if ur a camping faggot then u get what u deserve i just hope modern warfare 2 removes juggernaught so us real gamers can go back to enjoyin what is essientialy a great game

wankers

Wow, take it easy guys. What’s so noobish about Juggernaut? It’s the opposite of Stopping Power, but nobody calls Stopping Power noobish. Don’t get mad just because you were unable to kill that guy who was using Juggy. Think about it like this: 70% of player use Stopping Power. Juggernaut basically cancels stopping power out. So, Juggernaut gives you the health that Infinity Ward meant for you to have in the first place.

First of all: This “jugg is noob b/c ur making it hard for me to kill u” crap is making you all look like 8-yr olds.

Second: Juggernaut is a perk that is needed to counter-balance the sniper combo. I HIGHLY doubt that Infinity Ward wanted to make snipers the ultra-class, or make it where they can just sit in a spot, set up a pair of claymores, and just sit there and one-hit everyone else and rack up kills and get the kill streak goodies. The main reason that Juggernaut is there is because 75% of 1.4 is 1. So players that want it can stand a chance against snipers.

To conserve ammo, I use SP in CQB situations. That is, until I unlock Bandoleer and can swap out SP for UAV Jammer.

Juggernaut is great for defensive players, or players that are strong in defending positions on your team (Campers with M60s). It’s not rally my cup of tea, but it will from time to time kick my ass. If you want to take to the major offensive or sniping is where your expertise is, then I would lean towards Stopping Power. I’ve found both to work out great and if two players with opposite perks start trying to kill each other, then it will mitigate each other, then it balances itself out and relies on the guns the players have and how well they can use them.

Lol at people raging over juggernaut

NEITHER… There is ANOTHER usefull perk, and it is called UAV jammer. I personally think SP and Jug are both a little noob, not one is more than the other. I have jug on M60 and SP on G3 but the rest are UAV jammer

BOTH are noob perks. (I prefer Juggernaut though =)

Adding damage or health boost is very unpractical. It for noobs only who NEED that little boost to win. (Sleight of Hand, Double Tap FTW)
The reason why people ‘think’ Juggernaut is a noob perk, is beacuse of this:
When CoD4 was realeased, the majority of the players used Stopping Power for their Perk 2: Everyone was so accustomed to see and use Stopping Power, but didn’t realize how fast they were getting killed.
But, when that ‘Special Someone’ decided to use ‘Juggernaut’, players started calling ‘Juggernaut’ for NOOBS. But in CoD4 reality, Stopping Power adds %40 to damage of the current weapon being used, and Juggernaut %40 to health. So technically it’s a # 2 perkless fight. And people started complaining even more. But that’s how shooters are supposed to be palyed WITHOUT BOOSTS!!! And IF it was Vice-Versa, as in people to use ‘Juggernaut’ more than Stopping Power near launch day, IT would be the same damn thing just backwards..

BOTTOM LINE: IF you use either You’re a NOOB, but if you ONE and see an enemy with the other perk (A.K.A Enemy 1-Stopping Power, Enemy 2- Juggernaut) Don’t complain, Cause it’s a Perkless fight..
And M16A4 is THE MOST OVERPOWERED PIECE OF CRAP GUN IN THE GAME! for noobs too!

juggernaut isnt nooby, it just means the person can’t use stopping power? so why is everyone getting mad if sumone has juggernaut? they should be saying “Yay now they don’t have increased bullet dmg so they wont be able to kill me” i agree with every perk and weapon that infinity ward put into cod4 they are all fine to use. and grenade launchers are also fine to use the person only gets 2 of them and trhey cannot use a first perk…so it is a fair trade… conclusion: GET OVER IT INFINITY WARD IS NOT GOING TO TAKE OUT JUGGERNAUT.

This is why I do not play video game anymore…

First: There are no real noob perks or guns. Its just players getting upset for no real good reason. Yes its annoying, but there are plenty of other situations which are even more annoying and I have neither the time or the patience to list them all.

Second: Its apart of the game, get over it. Using Stopping power or Juggernaut is a strategy. For agressive players you can’t go wrong with stopping power. For defensive players you can’t go wrong with juggernaut.

Finally: The real noobs are people who make completely fake complaints just to ban people because they beat them in a video game. Put the controller down and go get a social life.

i just don’t get it

i can’t believe you assholes got the nerve to be mad at Juggernaut users when half of you use fucking MODS, Turtle Beach, Lag switches, Aim Bots, God Mode and all kinds of other cheats….. i hate you all….complete trash…. and trust me, if you come across a guy with a Gold Shotgun with Jug on…turn around, and run the other fucking way….. your cheats won’t work against me… i’m that fucking good…. but YOU”RE NOT

my favorite weapon is GOLDEN SHOTGUN WITH JUGGERNAUT… most of you who ran into me complain and bitch because thats what yall are… a bunch of bitches…..

first of all…. anyone who complains about juggernaut, but still finds it ok to use Stopping Power, is a complete asshole who thinks with their asshairs……

why i say this? because it clearly says at the top of this thread that Stopping is used because it can kill a person FASTER…. so you don’t think there is anything wrong with killing people faster and being a fucking camper, but you think there is something wrong with someone living longer…..OMG…. this is why i still use it now and still destroy you stopping power using noobs because you obviously don’t have a mind for this game…… if you knew how to play,you wouldn’t complain about juggernaut………but of course, since you can’t kil the guy in 1 SHOT by hiding on the other side of the map like a bitch..or hide behind walls or around corners or behind a car…. or whatever else you do to hide…..

and anyone who is using JUGGERNAUT WITH SHOTGUN is obviously a fan of mines who got ran over and now wants to follow the leader…..

i only use Juggernaut with the shotgun and no other weapon, so your comments will be dumb if you have something to say….. juggernaut was made for the shotgun assholes….. its for you campers who want an advantage over a guy who cant shoot back from a long distance…

M16 is for guys who likes dildos and hamsters in their rectum……

it seems that everything is n00b nowadays.

launch a grenade tactically through a window.. oh thats n00b

get shot and mortally wounded but pull your pistol out and manage to take the fucker with you… thats n00b too…

Knife a sniper…. wait thats n00b as well

lob a frag into a cluster of five enemies… thats way too n00b…

i heard someone say in a match the other day: “fuckin airstrike n00bs”….. yeah dont even think about getting a five kill streak that is way n00b

being 1337 is way n00bish now too cos i say so.

oh yeah and my KD ratio is .5 something so take that! (at least i capture flags)

Juggernaut ia a really useful tool with a shotgun. Whenever i use a shotgun i use juggernaut because the shotgun is a one shot kill weapon anyways and it gives you more time to fire that shot in close range to kill the person shooting at you and allow you to get closer so you can make your kill. Bottomline stopping power is good for every other weapon and juggernaut with the shotgun it is the best perk to have. I use it on maps such as the wetwork, chinatown and vacant and cause every thing is in close areas and believe me juggernaut and shotgun is really useful on these maps.

Both are useful, SP is useless with some guns (shotties, dragunov, etc) and, come on, jugg only makes you survive one more bullet, it’s not a big deal!

lol at ziggy_D’s post

Not much is n00b in CoD4, even though a lot is frustrating. SP and Jugg are perfectly balanced against each other. I personally use SP a lot more than Jugg just because I play tactically, move slow, and use cover to patrol small areas, so I’m pretty aware of my surroundings. My K/D is around 2.1, and I still get killed by Juggernaut all the time. That doesn’t make him n00b to pick a perk that makes it an even fight. In fact, if he picked SP, it’d still be an even fight – both of us would be dealing the same damage either way.

The only thing that IW fucked up is Martyrdom. I mean, seriously?

And M16 isn’t n00b either. Sure it’s accurate and it’s powerful – but at any kind of close range you’ll get destroyed a lot more often than you live.

Jugg is pretty much far better..Id say..there times when stopping power vs stopping power will drop you too fast…Ive used the MP5 for quite some time now and Id say its too powerful…yet without it you can still drop a person in 3 hits..so im gonna have to say jugg

FUCK YOU JUGGER NOOBS, Stopping poer doesnt cancel out jugger. The only noob perks are jugg and matrydom, now fuck off.

Oh yeah, im a 4.47 KDer, so take on board what i say, unlike these fucking noobs here. I actually am good enough to point you noobs in correct direction. jugger fucking scrubs ” jugger is for newbies” not “shotguns”

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THIS with the power of 9000 Stopping Powers. Especially in tactical servers it makes a helluva difference when people stop shooting at you (!!!) because they think they’d killed you already.