Call of Duty 4 Best SMG Sub Machine Gun Analysis and Review
For our second to last weapon class review we have Sub Machine Guns. SMG are known for their excellent close medium to close range capabilities and in a pinch can even do some long range shooting. As always our weapon data is coming from our wonderful Weapon Stats Chart. So whats the best Sub Machine Gun or SMG in Call of Duty 4? Our review is below, scroll to the bottom of the page if you just want the short version
MP5 - A good sub machine gun for normal and hardcore matches. It’s recoil pattern bounces around in a circular shape, as opposed to the other SMG’s which whose recoil knocks the weapon around only on the vertical axis. The recoil makes it strong not only close range encounters, but at fairly significant ranges. It’s closest competitor is the AK74u, in fact the weapons are almost identical. Both have the exact same damage values of 40-20, the same range 750-1000, the same rate of fire of 800 RPM and the same magazine capacity. The difference in recoil makes the MP5 a superior weapon to the Ak74u however.
AK74u - For reasons stated above the AK74u is generally slightly worse than the MP5. The only advantage the AK74u has is a slightly faster reload time and better bullet penetration. The difference between the weapons is small however. People that prefer a more vertically aligned recoil pattern should stick with the AK74u as opposed to the MP5.
Skorpion - A good SMG for Hardcore matches. The Skorpion has strong initial damage values of 50-20 but has a terrible range of 200-400. This means that your great initial damage of 50, which would two shot kill an enemy, drops down to a measly 20 damage after only 400 units of distance. To give you an idea of just how short 400 units is, the knife has a maximum range of 196. The terrible range and consequently terrible damage values makes the Skorpion totally unplayable for normal matches. It’s small clip size of 20 is made up for by it’s virtually non existent recoil. In hardcore games however where all you need is 30 damage for a kill the Skorpion becomes much more attractive.
P90 - The defining weapon of the SMG class. The P90 is known for it’s obscene rate of fire of 925 RPM and huge capacity of 50 rounds per magazine. It actually does less damage than the MP5, 30-20 but easily makes up for that in other areas. It has a fair amount of kick but the recoil is confined to a fairly small area so you can spray and pray to your hearts content. As a bonus for PC players it has a bug increasing your sprint distance x1.75 times their normal value. All of these characteristics make it the optimal rush weapon for both normal and Hardcore scrimmages.
Uzi - Perfectly identical to the P90 in almost every way. It has a slightly higher rate of fire, 950 RPM, actually the highest of any automatic weapon in Call of Duty 4. In exchange for this extra 25 RPM when compared to the P90 you have to lower your magazine capacity to 32 and acquire some higher recoil for the weapon. This means in general the Uzi is worse than the P90.
The bottom line: The P90 and MP5 are generally the best SMGs for normal and hardcore matches. The Skorpion is also playable for only Hardcore games.
“The terrible range and consequently terrible damage values makes the Skorpion totally unplayable for normal matches.”
with silencer the skorpion can be very deadly at range. virtually no recoil or sway, and a decent iron sight if you can get used to it. Snipers love it when you out gun them from across the map xD
In hardcore matches yes the Skorpion can be deadly at range. But in normal matches it takes at least 5 shots to get a kill at any sort of distance, and getting 5 shots on a target is not an easy task.
We should play some time and I’ll demonstrate
the p90 is for more enemies at once and the mp5 is for fewer rite?
P90 vs. MP5 depends on many things. The P90 has a higher capacity which means it can be better when taking on large groups of enemies. You also have to consider the 40-20 damage of the MP5 and the 30-20 damage of the P90 and the recoil of each weapon.
the p90 was patched outa the game for consoles?!??!?!?!
I can’t test it on the console myself but yes secondary sources tell me that the P90 sprint bug has been fixed for consoles.
Skorpion is amazing in hardcore… but you need stopping power and steady aim. At first I hated sacrificing Jammer and dead silence but it makes up for it when you can take out snipers easily and run and gun just as well. I like it
I reckon the mini Uzi is one of the best weapon in h/c matches.I used it almost every time, although i have to agree P90 is far superior. When you aim with an Uzi, i found that the recoil becomes bigger however if you hip fire it, it’s fairly accurate, add some extreme conditioning + silencer and you will rape everyone in the match.
I love My Mini Uzi so much !!!
Well actually hard numbers on an SMG don’t matter much unless you’re half a map away.
Most of the time you’d be 10 meters from a guy. At that distance, plus all SMGs shoot at more than 10 rounds per second, you’d be dead in less than half a second even if some of your shots miss.
At mid range though, I’d think the MP5, P90 and Skorpion are the only SMGs accurate enough. I guess I don’t even have explain to you if you’re using a SMG for long range.
Anyway here are some of my findings –>
Hip fire wise, the mini-uzi is exceptionally accurate. No idea why. The others are roughly the same.
Aiming down the sight, definitely the skorpion, then the p90, ak74u, then the mp5.
For extended firefights, running around, the p90.
Silenced stalking, silenced skorpion since no one hears you firing at all. The others are still quite audible.
Hardcore - any gun is lethal. 1-2 shots kill.
Headshotting people - MP5 and Skorpion
ACOG - MP5 and Skorpion
RDS - P90
Naked - Skorpion, AK47u
Cont’ed from above
Handling feel and sound(sound does matter) - MP5
Counter sniper work - Naked Skorpion on Stopping Power with Deep Impact and a VERY STEADY HAND and SHARP EYE.
Main advantages - P90(big clip), Skorpion(high sighted accuracy and NO recoil), Mini-Uzi(fast rpm and good hip fire accuracy), MP5&AK47u (all rounders and best feel-of-control)
I guess that it’s mainly personal preference as most guns are quite lethal. You have to like the gun to excel in it - the ‘feel’ of the gun is very important.
The only gripe I have is that the weapon bugs such as the AK47u Hip fire accuracy and p90 sprint distance haven’t been fixed.
Skorpion- kills with 4 bullets (SP) across the map. Would lowering it to 3 stop your crying?
AK74- Only smg with decent penetration. Same stats as the mp5 except the recoil is mostly verticle instead of batshit circular meaning you can actually hit something at a distance by pushing the thumstick/mouse down while firing. Would making it recoil like a cartoon fire hose make you happy?
Sorry to be a prick. I just hate the skorpion being considered “totally unplayable for normal matches” as a 4 bullet kill when it would be considered unstoppable as a 3 bullet killer considering it’s full auto accuracy.
mp5 or ak74u?
mp5. But would u use the the P90 should u use a acog or red dot or scilencer. im not stealth so acog or red dot?
rds
whats so great about the skorpion? It has terrible range. “Hey lets shoot at a sniper across the whole map with this gun that can shoot a whopping 2x as far as a knife. I think I can take him”
oh yeah when does the assult riffle review come out?
@Halo dog47:
The range doesnt matter, wether you are 20 meters away or 1000 it will still kill in 4 or less bullets if you’re using stopping power(aim for head) . use that in addition to a silencer so that they dont know where you are coming from seeing how the range is shit, a little less won’t make a difference. a sniper aiming down the scope usually doesnt have time to scope on you or run by the time he dies.
The Skorpian is the best weapon in the game, bar none.
cod4source what do you mean by the mp5’s recoil?
in my experience scorpians suck a** just today the whole team had scorpians and i had a barrett and they wouldnt stop comming so i just owned then all… probally because they couldnt see me verry well even with an acog…….. but a sniper does have time so scope on you and kick your a** if he knows what hes doing
scorpian best weapon? not a chance… the M16 has every gun beat
i wouldn’t say skorpion is the best, but it’s very underrated, but no surprise ppl that say the skorpion is total shit are ppl that think the 50 cal and m16 are the only weapons in the game
“i had a barrett and they wouldnt stop comming so i just owned then all……. but a sniper does have time so scope on you and kick your a** if he knows what hes doing”
ive never seen a sniper with a 50 cal that knew what he was doing
If you’re are gonna say the skorpion is useless, then it’s obvious you simply do not know how to use it.
bandolier or 3frags or 3spec nades? for the mp5 silenced while using the m9 as extra ammo
I’m not saying its useless but there are better choices…
if you’ve never seen a 50 cal sniper “know what he was doing” you haven’t played me… also the only reason i use the Barrett is 4 the power and when somebody is hiding behind a wall and nobody can do anything about it quickly, so i come along and well, that’s that. Also i don’t think the M16 and .50 are the “only weapons” just sadly the best weapons that fit my style of play
lol
just so no one flames me this is what I assume. The skorpion has low recoil and with a silencer it is even less? And the range just makes a gun weaker not actually have a small range. So if you can aim the scorp can easily take down snipers, but against anything else it gest taken down so easilly by everything. Whatever floats your boat though because my expiriences with it have been in the -15s
just so no one flames me this is what I assume. The skorpion has low recoil and with a silencer it is even less? And the range just makes a gun weaker not actually have a small range.
sorry this is what I know and the part affter that is what I am stating.
the short range of the skorpion means that the damage decays faster over range compared to say, a sniper, which never decays. You still do damage, but after about 3 meters the skorpion is at its worst damage. skorpion still is awesome though
Question for the skorpion fans out there, how are you hitting targets with a silencer at any distance, let alone half a map away? Are the targets moving? Or is this only good for anti-sniping? After seeing all of these great remarks from the skorpion fans, I gave it a try and had a very hard time. Any pointers?
…… aim 4 the head…
Like I said a long time ago (and this is only competitive server type stuff) but the report on a P90 is unique, meaning when you shoot it, everyone around you friend or foe will recognize it as a P90 determine your general location, and watch out for you. An MP5 is much more generic, meaning in an intense firefight, people are less likely to distinguish it from the rest of the fire around them.
Yes, you can put a silencer on a P90, and mask the report, but then you’ve gotta rely on that iron sight (which isn’t too bad), plus, you’ve got the lower range, making it less versatile.
IMO, MP5 > P90
@petekaz
I wouldn’t bother with the silencer personally, except in normal mode where you really need it. Just keep practicing or go to an acog or red dot. I use acog
P90 w/ red dot
Bandolier/ c4 if you are good with it
stopping power
deepimpact/ martydom
pretty good classes if u use them right
Lots of comments, I’ll try to cover the main points that were raised.
On the AK74u vs. MP5, the differences between the weapons are incredibly small with recoil being the only deciding factor. In general I think the recoil on the MP5 is more manageable, but I can see how people could personally prefer the recoil of the AK74u. You also have to consider the hip accuracy bug of the AK74u which brings it’s hip accuracy to medium when equipped with red dot or silencer. In this case personal preference trumps any quantifiable variables I can come up with for the two weapons.
On the Skorpion being bad in non-hardcore matches, I fully stand behind this hypothesis. Let me rehash the concept of range, which people often misunderstand. The 200-400 range value for the Skorpion means at anything closer than 200 units of measure the Skorpion will do it’s full 50 damage. Once you go beyond that though the damage drops of until it hits it’s lowest point at 400 units with 20 damage. 400 units is an incredibly short distance, just a little more than three times the range of the knife. This means you will be basically always be shooting 20 damage shots. Sure it’s possible to get kills like this, but for non-hardcore matches it simply isn’t the best way to get kills when I could have my MP5 shotting 40-20 with a range of 750-1000. The bullet capacity of 20 is also terrible. Again, non hardcore games where you have 30 health changes everything, the Skorpion becomes quite playable.
I will try to respond to some of the other comments tomorrow.
p90 silencer
+
UAV jammer
Yeah, I don’t know if I was clear or not, but I don’t use the skorpion on normal…
in response to 26 i use c4
and m9 for minibandolier
The p90 is good, but not respectable in hardcore. It’s too overpowered. The Mp5 is amazing. The Skorpion with an ACOG (Yes, I know it looks ridiculous) is fantastic as well. Increases range, but recoil as well. I’ve used it for clan matches and paired with slight of hand I’d said that almost beats the mp5. (For hardcore of course)
whatever I am pissed at the skorp now. I just played three rounds in a row with it and got -10 - -17 on them. I didn’t even get a single AIR STRIKE. And I usually get a pretty good positive. But with the skorp I’m plying worse than I did when I first played the game.
@ 2 posts up. the ingame stats are wrong. range isn’t increased with acogs and the whole accuracy decreasing thing just means more gun sway.
I finally got the silencer for the skorp and I’m starting to do, well ok with it. But I’m having a little trouble aiming at peopl from a long range, any tips? I also noticed that it has a really small magzine and I find myself having to reload after every kill or two. Sould I use SoH to help with that or just keep SP. I’m still a long ways of from the gold mini uzi so I want to do as well as I can while I’m forced to use the skorp.
oh yeah is the acog good on the skorp or should I stay silenced.
halo dog try out sleight of hand thats what I used for the skorpion
I use the Ak-74u with juggernaut. It has enough power so u will still have time to turn and kill them
Halo dog try playing hardcore. Then the few bullets you have will be put to good use.
After reading all those coments, i thought to give the skorpion a try… i usually play mp5 (frag3,sopping power, steady aim - best perk for more Damage Boost), im not that pro but i kinda do ok/well with my mp5 class, anywayz i tried the skorpion, it didnt go well :P, but i noticed 1 thing: its the only weapon in the game so far i played with that has no problems in it exept for the small magzine. My question is: Overall in general whats the 2 best SMG’s / Assaults To Use in All Maps/Situations
lol … Anyone help plz 
i think the best 2 SMG’s r the Mp5 & Skorpion For Me, But each has a porlbem , if the Mp5 dnt jump a lot while shooting, it would really be even more deadly weapon… and the problem with skorpion that its taking lots of bullets to kill 1 target so im feeling that Mp5 is better coz it takes less bullets to kill a target which makes it better
I mean Mp5 Jumps a lot while shooting. (Edit)
Been using the scorp for the last couple days and have been really impressed it has unbelievable accuracy, all but instant kills at close range faster then even the p90, and next to no recoil. In response to the people questioning its sniping accuracy it has accuracy equal to the g3 and open sights to take advantage of it (no tunnel vision) easily picked a sniper off across crossfire. It also kills in four hits at max range with a silencer and no recoil which is less then a third of a second at its rate of fire. I think of it as an smg version of the M4. Have had good luck with the silencer on it and stopping power>
Mp5 is hands down the best, hardcore use red dot with UAV jammer, normal use a silencer with stopping power
Its just the best all around especially in search and destroy and while you shoot you can also move around with little recoil
Also M40 sniper is amazing 1 shot with stopping power great for accuracy and is a great mobile sniper unlike every other one except the M21, but the M21 is not usually one shot except in hardcore
Personally, I find the AK-74u to be the best SMG. It has very high power/rate of fire. Due to the fact I am a skilled CS:S player, I like the vertical recoil pattern over the circular pattern. AK-74u for life!
for hardcore search and destroy use the /mp5 silinced/clays or bomb sqad/slieght of hand/stedy aim or extreme conditioning thats what i use and i pwn
cod4source does the ACOG on the skorpion increase its range?
Lots of good discussion going on here, glad to see it. Adding the ACOG scope to the Skorpion does not change it’s range. In fact none of the SMG’s range is changed by any weapon attachments.
Note that the RDS on the Skorpion increases its recoil.
Also note that since the Skorpion has pretty much no range anyway, the silencer has no negative effects, since there’s no range to take away.
hi
I have 3 questions…
1. In regard to the damage system (eg. mp5 : 40-20), how much damage can a person take before dying in a normal match?
2. How much damage does stopping power add?
3. Can a mp5 + stopping power kill an opponent with 2 hits in close range? (normal mode)
Hi, I don’t know if anyone has taken this into account, but there is a bug with the Skorpion when using a silencer on it. The accuracy increases instead of decreasing. Basically it comes down to the programmers leaving out a - (negative) in front of the decreasing value offset for the silencer add-on.
This image shows the left-side damage done with an ACOG scope, and the right-side damage done with an aimed silencer.
So if you take this into account, a silenced Skorpion is a whole new ballgame when combined with Stopping Power. Without Stopping Power, it’s still a rough gun in regular game-type play as it takes too many shots.
You can’t compare the acog to the silenced version of the skorp like that because the acog sways to begin with. Now, if you were to have the same picture and say you used naked skorp instead of acog-ed skorp, you would have something.
im king of cod4 hands down
One cool kid.. lick my gooch.
Well i am a 10th prestige on cod4 mainly because i am good and i own most noobs. I have a k : d ratio of 1.97 and im aiming for 2.00. I have all golden guns and i only cage matched 3 of them as they were bad guns. L0nG L1V3 c0d 4
The best SMG class is this:
mini uzi (golden)
Usp silenced (rapid fire remote ftw?)
stun grenade
Frag x3
Stopping power
Martydrom
Is anyone can beat me with this classes my xbox is waitin for the challenge - Marcus th3 king
I perfer the MP5. Its like the only gun I use besides the R700. On normal matches I use the MP5 and usually come out with a awsome kill to death of avg. 25-7. On Creek I use the MP5 cause most pple are snipping. I just run right up the middle (praying to God no one see’s me) and take out unsuspecting players. On Hardcore, I just use overkill, R700 and MP5.
Oh, and the COD King, since your a 10th prestige, I wouldn’t be using Martydrom. Use your experiance as a COD player to pwn noobs. Not when they pwn you, you kill them by droping a live gernade. Thats noobish. One cool kid, theres always someone better than you.
I’ve seen a lot of snipers using the Barrett who definitely know what they’re doing. It’s the best weapon in the game for killing other snipers at range, because they can’t hide from it- with stopping power and deep impact, there is no such thing as “cover” from a 50 cal =]. It’s the best semi-auto sniper rifle in normal matches- in HC the m21 is better because of its ridiculously low recoil, although the barrett still wins at going through walls. How many shots off a Skorpion without stopping power through a wall at range? The barrett can still one-shot it
Mini Uzi has the best accuracy or them all!!!
Seriously,you just need to get use to it,I rape everybody at such ranges with bullet of two they mostly think i am cheating and it has perfect “up” recoil,so it does not bounces a lot.
Use silencer,double tap and take well,shot 2-3shots,take aim and shot again if needed,but you mostly wont!
Will demonstrate you if you give mi IP!
Scorpion is similar thing,but less powerful ad it recoils totally horizontally,you must use suppressor because of the muzzle flash or you cant hit an shit!
But power is not issue because I play only hardcore.
Ak74 and ACOG are best combination,and i dont use MP5 a lott.
p90 with red tiger and red dot or silencer
gold mini uzi with silencer on search and destroy
yeah i have had the game for a day now, as soon as i unlocked the scorpion it was the only weapon i used, then i got the red dot and used it too, now im on to the scorpion with the silencer and regardless of match type it is great, definitely the best weapon i reckon
mind you if i knew the damage stats i probably would have thought twice about it
anyways i have made countless kills over huge range (like full map/as far as i can see)
the spray pattern is so close that headshots are easy
low mag sucks though, i have run right out of ammo plenty of times
oh yeah and i use stopping power and extra penetration or whatever its called, seems to work well
im only level 16 so dont have much unlocked
As found by field tests and scrutiny of the numbers in the program files, the AK74u is superior to the MP5 when using the iron sights. However when using the red dot sight or the silencer, the MP5 boasts superior hip fire, although at the cost of worse recoil. Yes, the AK74u has much more manageable recoil compared to the MP5 , the numbers show it. Therefore:
For the more run-and-gun classes, the AK74u with no attachments is superior to the MP5.
For the more stealthy players, the MP5 with the silencer exhibits greater hip fire accuracy, however the AK74u displays more controllable recoil.
In summary, the AK74u is superior to the MP5 in almost every way. Tests involving the effective sighted accuracy of the weapons when equipped with the red dot sight were not done, under the finding that red dot sights should NOT be used on SMG’s because its almost contrary to its purpose and the understanding that the MP5 w/RDS < AK74u(no attachments) due to facts previously stated.
Any claims otherwise are purely psychological in origin, and anyone who says, “the MP5 has less manageable recoil than the AK74u” has not efficiently tested their hypothesis. Also, to clear up any misunderstandings, the silencer does NOT decrease recoil, it only reduces muzzle flash, creating the illusion of less recoil to the untrained eye.
The effectiveness of the 40-20 damage class weapons(MP5 and AK74u) have NOT been compared to the other weapons such as the Skorpion or the FN P90, however general consensus states they are, on the whole, superior.
Any thoughts regarding this subject?
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